well i totally pulled out of an orkut discussion on defining politics yesterday, deleting all my posts and letting the other party talk to himself. why? it is the only thing that i really dislike in the world when approaching theoretical positions, the unwillingness to think about what is being said at any deep level, the co-discussant seemed to merely want to play on the surface, with methodological games that could have gone on forever, in short he didn't want any depth or real consideration of his position. this is one of the failures of education, when someone, no matter how brilliant, graduates thinking that applying methods is thinking. methods, logic, stats,etc. is an assistant to thought, but thought needs more, else you end up with mechanico-fascism.